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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Effortless English Show, with the world’s number one English teacher, AJ Hoge, where AJ’s more than 40 million students worldwide finally learn English once and for all. Without the boring textbooks, classrooms and grammar drills. Here’s AJ with a quick piece to help you learn to speak fluent English effortlessly.
AJ Hoge: AJ Hoge, effortlessenglishclub.com. The war. The war for free speech continues.
Today in the Effortless English show, we have a discussion, a conversation between Anthony Cumia and Gavin McInnis. Our old friend, Gavin. Gavin, you may remember, he host his own show on Rebel Media. He currently has a show on Rebel Media, a YouTube channel. Anthony Cumia, Cumia I believe is how you pronounce it, is a radio host. He used to be on a very, very big radio show out of New York City. It was called, “Opie and Anthony.” Huge show. Very, very big.
Then Cumia got fired. He got fired because of tweeting. Now, this guy’s a comedian and so I don’t know, he tweeted between some transgender person, I think. It was some transvestite, some man pretending to be a woman. This transvestite sent him a tweet insulting him or joking. He’s a comedian, so he came back and insulted the transvestite guy, and they went back and forth. Then he lost his job, because of this. It’s like a whole campaign started that said he was hateful, and evil, transphobic, that means you’re afraid of trans people and you’re hateful and not see. All these stuff that we’ve talked about this week really and some previous shows, well it all happened to him.
He goes on to a show with Gavin McInnis, Gavin interviews him about what happened. They discussed free speech in America, the war for free speech that’s happening now. They talk about how this isn’t just about Twitter that the left, the Marxist groups are threatening people. They’re sending death threats to people.
They are finding people’s address that they don’t like, like Gavin’s or Anthony Cumia’s. They are posting the address on social media and encouraging people to go there and attack them.
Twitter lets them do this. Twitter lets leftist do this, but Twitter bans people on the right or libertarians, or classic liberals for much, much less. These big companies are clearly siding with helping these Marxist mobs. It makes you wonder why, right? What’s happening. Why are these huge billion dollar companies supporting this? It’s because they want to shutdown free speech. They want to close down free speech. They don’t want to be criticized. They don’t want people to wake up to what all the billionaires are doing to us. These mobs, these leftist mobs are very useful for them.
All right. Let’s actually go to the first part of the interview. I’m going to play a little part and I’ll come back and explain it in its finest spot. Here we go. Right there.
Yeah, good. Got it.
Anthony Cumia: Yeah.
Gavin McInnes: I don’t count that, because this is a mob. It’s just like the muff.
Anthony Cumia: Yes.
Gavin McInnes: This screaming mob of hysterical people going into your work, tweeting your clients, fucking attacking on the street, putting a … I had a bunch of trainees put up my home address with “Happy Hunting.”
Anthony Cumia: Really?
Gavin McInnes: Yeah and talking about my kids and shit. That’s not the free market. That’s not people I opted.
Anthony Cumia: That’s the mob.
Gavin McInnes: I have the freedom to opt to kill your family.
Anthony Cumia: There you go.
Gavin McInnes: It’s my choice.
Anthony Cumia: Your speech has consequences. Really? Death to my family is the consequence?
That’s the new thing that people really do pull out with freedom of speech. You got the freedom of speech, but there are consequences. It’s like first of all or here’s another one, well, you have freedom of speech, but the government isn’t stopping you from doing something.
Gavin McInnes: Oh, that’s a big one.
Anthony Cumia: It’s a business and they run their business. It’s like, okay if there’s a threat looming over you of losing everything you worked your life for, if you say a certain thing, that’s not freedom of speech anymore.
Gavin McInnes: Yes.
Anthony Cumia: You’re infringing on the freedom of speech through coercion, threats. Then taking a step further, yes, death. Violence to your family, that is consequence for freedom of speech? It’s like the Salem witch trials.
AJ Hoge: Okay, first part. Okay, so Gavin says that these are mobs. These leftist attacks of free speech, they’re mobs. A mob, M-O-B, that has two meanings really. They use both meanings here in this conversation. They’re using both at the same time. One meaning of mob, it’s slang, is mafia, right? Mafia, like the old Italian mafia from the movies, the godfather. Organized crime, the mob. The more general meaning of that word “Mob” is just an angry group of people out of control. Angry and violent group of people.
You can get mobs of people and they just will attack, because they just go, they get crazy and then they all get each other more and more crazy, and then they become violent. That’s also a mob. They’re saying it’s both. It’s like these people are both organized crime and also they are just like as wild uncontrolled violent group.
They’re talking about how these people they will make an excuse, these people in these mobs that are attacking. They’ll make an excuse that, well, you can say your free speech, but free speech has consequences. It means you’re free to say something, but if people don’t like it, then you have to accept what happens next.
Anthony Cumia and Gavin both laugh about this saying this isn’t free speech. If the consequence is that you lose your job and you lose your business and they attack your customers or other people at your job, and they harass and attack your family, and they threaten violence, and now they’re even doing violence for starting to see this happening that are actually attacking people with pepper spray and sticks, and punching them, and kicking them. That’s not free speech. They’re using coercion, coercion means force.
They’re infringing on free speech. To infringe means to limit or stop. These are crazed mobs of leftist. You see Hollywood, all these Hollywood celebrities are encouraging this. It’s frightening. They are using the mobs to try to silence people.
They’re trying to silence anyone they disagree with. That’s what’s really scary and so they call everybody a “Fascist, a sexist, hateful.” They just use these words and then they attack. They’ll try to find your address, try to harass. Like they said, their children had been harassed and threatened. That’s what’s happening in America now.
It’s this crazy leftist doing it and they attack anybody that criticizes them or disagrees with them, or won’t go along with their crazy ideas. Very frightening.
Let’s go ahead a little more and listen to another section. Then I’ll talk more. Let me just find the section here. It’s right there. Okay, here we go. Next part. Anthony Cumia, Gavin McInnis.
Anthony Cumia: Anything, women’s rights. All of a sudden, if you have an opposing viewpoint to the bullshit, whatever is being put out there, it gets escalated to not just, “He has an opposing viewpoint. I wonder what his take is on this. Is he a racist or does he just have an opposing viewpoint? It goes instantly to Hitler.
Gavin McInnes: Yes, Hitler.
Anthony Cumia: You talked about Israel and you weren’t as sympathetic as Hitler.
Gavin McInnes: It is fascist ironically. This for me, it’s every part of modern culture like your wife will complain to her friend, “My husband was drunk last night. He pees to bed.”
Divorce. You’re like, “Whoa.” You see some rally and they’re pro-Israel and someone goes, “Fuck you and spits them.” Police. You never see, debate him.
Anthony Cumia: Yes. I demand a debate.
Gavin McInnes: That word is dead by the way.
Anthony Cumia: It is dead, totally dead. Like I said, if you’re in a debate and someone starts losing, that’s it. You’re labeled something and now you’re that. Your point can’t be valid, you’re a racist.
Gavin McInnes: Yes.
Anthony Cumia: We’re debating race. Blah, blah, blah. Somebody goes, “Uh-oh, I’m getting …”
“Racist. I’m not even going to listen to you anymore. You’re a racist.”
Gavin McInnes: Then they say things like, “I can’t even.”
Anthony Cumia: Yeah.
Gavin McInnes: Especially about the millennials, because they’re so fucking [inaudible 00:11:13].
AJ Hoge: Okay, let’s talk about this section now. Going back and they’re saying the problem is that now, with these people, they’re talking about the leftist Marxist groups, that they don’t accept an opposing viewpoint. An opposing viewpoint just means disagreement, right? Maybe they say, “Marxism is great.” You say, “No. Marxism is terrible. Marxism has a long bad history.” You have a different viewpoint. They don’t accept that. They immediately will shout at you and call you names like, “Hitler. Racist.” They won’t debate. They escalate it. They make it worse and they will not demand. They will not ask for a debate. They will not have a discussion.
They will not talk about evidence. They just label people who disagree with these labels.
Hitler, fascist, evil, racist, homophobe, transphobe. They just use these words and they say, “Okay, you are this evil horrible person so now I will not listen to you.”
Then they refuse to listen. They refuse to talk and they just want to attack you, “Evil. Hitler. You’re horrible.” This is the way they stop debate. They stop discussion. Because see, in discussion, these people usually lose, because their ideas are not logical, their ideas are not rational.
If you try to start talking to them and then they start to lose, because they’re not rational, that’s when they immediately start to scream, “Hitler. Evil. Fascist. Racist. Sexist.” Then now, they’re becoming violent, because even that is not working anymore. See, that works for a while, calling people racist. It scared them to say, “You’re a racist. You’re a homophobic.” For a while, that kept people quiet. People got scared. They didn’t want to be called a racist, but they did it so much and it was so unreasonable, but now people don’t care.
A lot of people just say, “I don’t care. Call me a racist. I don’t care.” That’s not working as well now. Now, they’re going to violence. Now they’re threatening. Now they’re trying to get people removed and banned from social media. They’re trying to make people lose their jobs, threatening their children, all of these stuff. It’s getting very, very bad. Yeah, the last part of this clip.
Anthony Cumia: I saw a debate in New York and it’s funny that we met in the basement of a bar. It’s like you might as well be going to a fucking gang bang or something. It’s so simple.
Gavin McInnes: That’s pretty [crosstalk 00:14:11].
Anthony Cumia: It was a gun debate and the guy pro-gun was an editor at Field & Stream and he just had all these stats about how many rapes and all these different crimes are prevented, not just from going and get away from me, but just from the assumption that person might have a gun. Millions in crimes prevented, right? Then we cut to the anti-gun guy who was gay and he’s like, “Why am I even here?” Like, “Is this guy serious?”
Gavin McInnes: Yeah, that’s it.
Anthony Cumia: Then he goes, “These people call themselves gun nuts, like they know that they’re insane.” The other goes, “You don’t think that they are a little self-aware when they call themselves that?” That is the state of debate today, because the leftist got this good guy, bad guy fucking juvenile view of the world but there’s not enough bad guys, so they changed the definition of bad to mean any sexual intercourse that wasn’t fun as rape. Any dumb chance set on a bus is a lynching. Any tweet is an example of a racist murderer. These people who go to the gallows are going, “What? Let’s talk about it. Let me explain.” “Nope, too late. You shutdown.”
This is what drives me nut, you said about the first amendment that go, it’s not the government. The first amendment is two things. It’s the government shutting you down, but it’s also the people.
Gavin McInnes: Yeah.
Anthony Cumia: If we’re such pussies we go, “The government didn’t do it.” We sound like Bill Maher eating out Obama’s ass and going, “The president’s just doing his best.”
AJ Hoge: Okay, so this last part. He’s saying that the root of the problem is such a juvenile view that these people have this view that the world is divided. We’re saying the same idea as we heard in other interviews this week of this cultural Marxist viewpoint is that like the world is only two groups. There’s the good, them. Then the bad people, the evil people, everybody else. Juvenile means like child, childish, like a child. This is a childish view, because in the world, most people are not totally good or totally bad. We all have different strengths and weakness. We all have different viewpoints.
Most viewpoints, most people are in my experience are fairly nice. Even if they disagree with me about certain things, that we can still be reasonable and it doesn’t mean they’re evil, because if someone disagrees, it’s not because they’re evil. They just have a different opinion. These cultural Marxist, they don’t think that way.
Then the next problem is that they need enemies. These Marxists, leftist need enemies. Without an enemy, they’ve got no power, so they have to create.
Remember, it’s just like the Nazis in Germany, they needed the enemy of the Jews.
The communist needed the enemy of the business people, the middle class. They always need the enemy, the bad group to attack. That’s how they gain power.
Since in America, there really are not many racist, or sexist, or any of that. Most Americans are just quite nice. Most Americans the truth is they just don’t care about you or other people with who live differently. Most Americans just want live and let live. They live their life, you live your life. Just don’t bother them. That’s how most Americans feel. It’s pretty relaxed, actually. Just leave me alone and I don’t care what you do. That’s the very classic American attitude.
Because they cannot find really evil people, because in America, there are almost no true Nazis or true horrible racists. Then they just create, they make normal regular people into evil. Then Gavin gives it some examples of how they exaggerate. He’s saying if a woman has sex with a guy and they don’t enjoy it or they regret it the next day, then they’ll say, “Rape. You raped me.” It’s not a rape or if someone just makes a joke that has some race part in it, like an ethnic joke that it means you’re an evil racist and you want to kill black people.
It’s just this crazy exaggeration. Then they just start attacking and they shut you down. Shut you down means to quiet you to silence you. This is exactly the tactic that I have seen. That’s why I’m speaking up now. That’s why I’m doing these shows, about this topic, and I’ll continue covering this topic sometimes. Not all the time. It’s boring if we only talk about free speech all the time. I’ll be mixing in lots of topics, but I will be coming back to this topic of free speech occasionally, regularly, because it’s so important, it’s so dangerous.
Because I’m seeing these attacks, that’s why I’m speaking about it. Before this year, I had a rule, no politics in my shows or Effortless English. I would not talk about it at all. I only talked about psychology and English. As I’m seeing this happen, this year has become so scary, what’s happening in the United States. It’s also in Europe and also in Canada, and in other countries. I’m hearing it’s happening in Brazil, it’s happening all over the world. There’s this globalist elites to control things, they’re pushing this.
It’s such a dangerous thing that I have to speak up. We all do. Finally, they talk about the first amendment. Now, anyone wanting to become an immigrant in the United States, anyone who wants to become a citizen with United States, you need to learn this. The first amendment I believe is the most important right in the American constitution that’s why it’s the first. Number one. It is freedom of speech, freedom of religion. What they’re saying is that this leftist attack they’ll say, “The first amendment means the government can’t silence you. The government can’t attack you for speech, but businesses can and individuals can, and that’s bullshit.”
That’s what they’re saying. They’re saying, “That’s wrong.” Free speech means free speech not just from the government, but in general. I agree.
This is the situation we have. In the United States, the media, the corporate media, the big corporate media is encouraging this. In America, only six companies own and control 90%, maybe more than that of the media. That’s all TV stations, all radio stations, all big magazines and newspapers, six companies. Disney is one of them. General Electric is one of them. I’m trying to remember. I have to look at it again, but there’s only six. These six huge companies.
We have to ask, “Why? What’s going on? Why do these companies support this?”
Because they do. They support it and all the big corporate fake news channels, CNN, ABC, BBC, it’s on Britain it’s the BBC is the worst one or one of the worst ones.
All these radio stations, why? Why are they supporting these crazy people?
Because it scares people in two silence. See, it scares people to be quiet, to not speak up, to not speak the truth. That’s why the top elites support this craziness.
Once they destroy free speech, they’ll get rid of these lefty people. They’ll get rid of these crazy people. They’ll just keep control. What’s been happening the last couple months is that now things are becoming violent. In Berkeley, Berkeley, California, across from San Francisco, across the water from San Francisco. A guy named Milo wanted to speak there. Milo’s a gay conservative. Actually, they call him racist even though he likes to have black boyfriends, but still they somehow they call him racist. There’s no reason. They’re not rational. They just hate him.
They hate him, because he disagrees with them.
They had a riot. They weren’t just peacefully protesting. They had a riot. They attacked his supporters with sticks. They caused fires. The Berkeley police did nothing, just let them do it. See, the police, there are big powers that are supporting this. That’s what’s scary. By themselves, these people are not powerful, but with the support of the big media, with the support of local police such as in Berkeley, then very, very frightening.
Anyway, they had all these riots, violence. Then they were burning signs. They found signs that said, “Free speech” and they were burning them. They are clearly stating, clearly showing they hated free speech. I’m going to give you a little history of America here. What’s so crazy about this, what’s so sad is that back in the 1960s, Berkeley, California is considered to be a birthplace of something called, “The free speech movement.”
Back in the 1960s, there was a movement, a group of protesters who fought for free speech. Because in America at that time, some books were being banned. They were preventing some books from being published that they didn’t like. At that time, it was more conservative people who were doing the banning and religious people. This movement started a protest to fight for free speech. It’s known as the Berkeley Free Speech Movement. They started it there. It used to be that Berkeley, California where we have the University of California in Berkeley, that used to be this place that was famous for free speech.
Now, here we are 2017 and it’s become exactly the opposite. Now, they are the enemies of free speech. Now, they protest against free speech. Now, they are the ones trying to silence people. Now they are the ones trying to ban books and ban speakers. It’s sickening. Sickening, it’s sad to see this happening. See, if you just watch CNN, if you just watch Fox News, if you just watch those corporate cable news things, you’re not going to see a lot of this. They don’t cover it. You’d got to get your news from the internet. That’s the only way now.
I can’t trust this big corporate and government channels. Pretty much anything you’re watching on TV, just don’t trust it. Where do you get your news? How do you do it? I think that number one, you have to look at the values of the source.
What do they support? If they support free speech, they’re more trustworthy, you can trust them more. If they’re against free speech, you really got to be careful. I wouldn’t trust them too much.
Now, every group, every person has their own viewpoints. Some will be more conservative as we say or liberal or whatever. The next thing is, do they at least try to be honest? Do they have some principles? I like to visit lots of different sites, but I try to find ones that at least try to be honest, that talk about things and they actually have some evidence. See, now, we’re seeing on the news they report things they don’t even have evidence. They say unnamed sources or anonymous sources that means they’re just lying, they’re just making it up. It’s not even true. I want to see the real sources.
I like WikiLeaks quite a lot, because WikiLeaks, it’s just the real direct documents.
You can go read them yourself and you can make your own idea about what they say, instead of some TV person telling you the meaning, you can just look at it yourself and then decide, “What does this mean?” This week, we had the very big WikiLeaks about the CIA spying on people. Pretty much they can spy on all of us through our cellphones, and our computers, even TVs, and how they have been spying on leaders, how they may have been spying on Trump. They definitely spied on Merkel in Germany.
That’s frightening, because what they do is they spy on these leaders and they try to get information. Then they use the information to control them. Super frightening stuff, but you don’t have to trust me. You don’t have to trust some news person, because the corporate news is pretending it’s no big deal. “Oh, no.
It’s nothing.” They’re trying to ignore it mostly. I have my own feeling about it, but the cool thing is you can follow WikiLeaks on Twitter, or Facebook, or go straight to their page and you can actually read the real documents yourself. You can read exactly what the CIA is doing. You can decide yourself with your own brain, what does it mean? Is this good? Is this bad? What’s actually happening?
See, that’s the best source of news is when you can get it direct like that, the direct documents, the direct evidence. The more direct it is, the more real and trustworthy it is. Now, it’s interesting, because Philip Fan, one of our Effortless English fans, members, on Twitter just recently, today, he was tweeting me. We had a little tweeter conversation, a short conversation. He’s in United States. He’s from Myanmar. He lives in Los Angeles, and was talking about the American form of government and what are called, “The federalist papers,” and how the United States is not a democracy, it’s a republic.
He was asking me about that, “Is it true America’s a republic not a democracy?
What’s the difference?” At first this seems like it’s not connected to what we’re talking about right now, this first amendment and what’s happening with free speech now, but actually it’s very connected. Because there’s a big difference between a democracy and a republic, in theory at least. See, democracy is just the majority rules, right? The big group is the boss.
In just a pure democracy, have a vote and if 51% of the people make a choice or decision, that’s what happens. The other 49%, they can’t do anything about it. The weakness of it that the founders, the original creators of the American constitution, the American government, they realize that pure democracy is actually dangerous, very dangerous, because it can create mob rule. It just means that the big angry group can rule and can do terrible things to others, to the smaller group and that that’s not what they wanted. They wanted a kind of government that gave individual freedom to people. It was the individual, each individual citizen had freedom and rights that were protected even if they were a minority.
That’s a republic. In a republic, the minority rights are protected. In a republic, there are universal rights that means every individual citizen. Individual rights. It’s not about groups. It doesn’t matter if you’re in, what race you are, you’re black, or you’re white, or you’re rich, or you’re poor, or whatever. It’s just every single individual has these rights. As I said, in our bill of rights, the first one is freedom of speech and freedom of religion. This is also in the first one, the first amendment.
That means each individual person has the right to speak and to say their opinion without threat of being attacked, without threat of being coerced, or hurt, or put in prison, or attacked in other ways. The same goes you have the freedom to practice the religion you want or not to have a religion. Then there’s many others. There are many other amendments, but I think the freedom of speech is the fundamental one, because that’s how we create a civil peaceful society. That is the key to having a peaceful society.
If everyone can truly speak without being threatened, then it means we can all get to say what we want without being physically attacked or threatened, or losing our jobs, and all that stuff. That means we can get our ideas out there. Instead of fighting with our fists hitting each other, instead of using violence, instead of getting guns to get power, we have to use reason and argument. That’s how we have to convince people. We have to use persuasion. That creates a peaceful society.
When free speech gets attacked as it is now, when free speech starts to disappear, then people don’t have the choice of being able to say what they want and defend their beliefs. That’s when they have to turn to violence. That’s when violence becomes a choice, because if you can’t speak up, if you’re going to be attacked, or saying what’s important to you, well then eventually you’re going to fight back.
You’re going to want to fight back and then the violence begins.
Right now, the leftist had been attacking, but I know that people on the other side are getting very tired of being attacked and they’re seeing these physical attacks and the threats, and they’re starting to talk about violence too now. You’re going to start seeing violence from the other side if things don’t change. That’s why we got to speak up. You got to speak up and speak the truth.
Just discuss. It doesn’t matter. We don’t have to agree about everything. It’s not necessary to always agree. We’re going to disagree. We’re all different. We’re going to have disagreements. Just because we disagree, it doesn’t mean that one is evil and one is good. It doesn’t even mean that one is right or wrong all the time.
Sometimes two people can disagree and they both can be right. Sometimes they both can be wrong. Sometimes it’s just different. It’s not good or bad.
Sometimes what’s good for me and what I want is not good for you. I think this is true for even things like religions. Some religions maybe fit some cultures and they don’t fit others. Some ideas, some kinds of government, all these things, some individuals. We all are different. That’s why I love and value so much that traditional American attitude of live and let live. This is the solution. This is perhaps my favorite part of American culture of my own country. That’s why I’m so sad to see this being attacked and dying.
Because live and let live, it’s that, that’s the solution. Not forcing other people to live like you want. Not forcing your values on other people, but just let other people do what they want. I think that the transvestite people, the men who believe they are women, I think they have maybe some little mental things going on and they want to have surgery and all that. When they say, “No. I’m actually a woman,” I disagree and I’ll say, “No I’m sorry, I don’t agree.” I don’t hate them and honestly, I don’t care what they do. I don’t care. Live and let live. Just leave me alone.
Don’t try to force me to speak a certain way. Don’t try to force me to change the gender pronounce I use. Don’t attack me and as long as you leave me alone, I don’t care. They can get married, they can have surgery and dress in women’s clothing, I don’t care. That’s how I feel about all other groups, that I may disagree with. I may not even like what they’re doing. You know what? In the end, I’m focused on my own life, my own family, the Effortless English family, everybody else. I just don’t care. I don’t have bad feelings to them and I’m happy to let them live as they want to.
I hope they’re happy. Just don’t attack me. Don’t try to force me to live how you want to. To live and let live. Live and let live. This should be our motto. That should be the world motto. I should add it to the Effortless English code, live and let live.
That’s part of we show each other we care. We have our code, right? We do the right thing. We do the best we can and we show each other we care.
Part of showing each other we care is live and let live. Part of doing the right thing is live and let live. That’s why I say if we’re on Twitter, you don’t attack people for their religion and try to convince them to change their religion. That’s not live and let live. If you’re trying to push your religion on someone who didn’t ask you. If someone ask you about their religion and they’re interested about your religion and okay fine, but if you’re pushing it, and that’s not live and let live.
Live and let live. All right. As always, this show is supported by my Effortless English courses. Join my Power English Course. The Power English Course is really the foundation. If you don’t know which to try, join that Power English Course first. It’s going to build your confidence speaking English. It’s going to help you become a fluent confident speaker. Once you do that, you can also add the VIP Program. The VIP Program, that’s a monthly program, and that’s where you’re getting new lessons from me every month. That’s really advanced English.
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